Comment by 00prometheus
Why should Jolla do bad things just because others do bad things? Seems like a bad reason to me! ;-)
View ArticleAnswer by sauron for Why is it required to open an account in order to...
hi, please tell me what is privacy in internet? Internet is a place where you make money selling people data, so... Jolla needs registration is true, but people who voted up this question i am sure...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
Here is what is says on the box I received: "Your Jolla may require online registration. To become a Jolla user, you need to accept the end-user license agreement and Privacy Policy at...
View ArticleComment by strnous
@ln Well, I'm probably not getting your point. I'm expecting a person buying Jolla is willing to use it (= become Jolla user) or buying it for someone willing to use it (= become Jolla user). Of course...
View ArticleComment by ln
@strnous The box says you need to accept some stuff to become a Jolla user. You don't need to accept it just to buy the phone.
View ArticleComment by strnous
@ln Surely you will do. Just look at the bottom of the box Jolla is sold in.
View ArticleComment by ln
If you buy Jolla in your local cell phone shop, I am pretty sure you do not need to agree to any Terms of Service.
View ArticleComment by 00prometheus
In fact, they only need to state on the page: This service is restricted to people over the age og thirteen, possibly with a checkbox, and that would fulfill the legal requirement (which in this case...
View ArticleComment by StanceVonKofsky
Why ask for your birthday though? I've seen enough companies who just ask if you're 13 or older, or who just say that you shouldn't accept the service-specific terms when you're a minor. Not accepting...
View ArticleAnswer by strnous for Why is it required to open an account in order to...
Among others the Terms of Service everyone agrees with while ordering/buying Jolla states (chapter 4): "Our Services are generally available to people of all ages. The following age limitations apply,...
View ArticleComment by 00prometheus
Not everyone want a relationship with a company as close as telling them your birthday. Many just want to buy a phone and get it working like it should (which it doesn't out of the box). The buyer...
View ArticleComment by corneliusg
@weareunlike My remark about remote control points to the contradiction in the question, that fully unfolds in @00prometheus 's answer: complete secrecy on your side, that guards over the policy and...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
@corneliusg Thank you for your answer. I am not sure how your statement about Remote control relates to the question. Could you elaborate?
View ArticleAnswer by corneliusg for Why is it required to open an account in order to...
Sharing some personal data actually is the basics of forming any relationship. Without that, it is not a relationship. You can lie about your data, so lying is the kind of relationship you choose....
View ArticleComment by 00prometheus
If both interpretations are possible, so much the better - no one need feel left out! :-)
View ArticleComment by foss4ever
Is this Answer an expression of nerd values to nerds, or anti-nerd values to non-nerds? BTW: which one are we, and who are you? Smiley in the end to show that also a not-so-serious interpretation of...
View ArticleAnswer by 00prometheus for Why is it required to open an account in order to...
I voted the question up. We all love our Jollas, and Jolla the company. However, let us not become blind to the truth: It is primarily an early adopter and nerd phone, and it is marketed on nerd...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
I beg to differ. Creating an account from my device to the Jolla service does bear the risk of a privacy threat. I needed to provide not only a user name and a password, but also a birthday and an...
View ArticleComment by Olle Jolle
I just set up my first Jolla phone and was quite peeved that it insists in providing my birthdate. What for?? "to fulfil some license agreement for the mobile stack" - I don't believe that for a...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
@ovekaaven Which description would you use, for the situation that you bought a piece of technology, at the time it arrives it has known bugs (not sure if it would be ok to say "broken on arrival") and...
View ArticleComment by 00prometheus
Jolla is a Finnish company, operating from Finland, and the Nordic countries do not generally have the same legal tradition that you find in the US. If there is a real age requirement, that will have...
View ArticleComment by ortylp
@olle-jolle the only reason for a birth date is some (more or less stupid) legal requirement for the customer not to be a minor.
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
@Tanghus, @ortylp thank you for replying to my question and comments. Please don't take it personally. I was hoping that Jolla would be the alternative to "plague and cholera" and I am slowing...
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
@olle-jolle, @weareunlike: That was just my guess. And mentioning the N9: Nokia owned a lot of the patents, so they were in an easier position than Jolla is.
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
Thank you @Olle Jolle. Thank you. Your comment just sent shivers down my spine.
View ArticleComment by ovekaaven
It's how I interpret the OP: "... does lock me down to a view of the world imposed by you". That sounds like an accusation of indoctrination to me.
View ArticleComment by Olle Jolle
I would assume your guess was wrong. Or why do you think a patent holder of mobile stack technology would require the licensee to collect birth dates from end users? To do what with it? Give it to the...
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
OK, when I created an account in May last year, all I entered was a username and a password, and of course an email address - that might have changed since then. I see now that my birthday on...
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
Let me rephrase that: If you don't want to use your Jolla account - (which I believe you already have since you bought the phone online, but I might be wrong) - you can get community software updates...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
Thank you for the info and the link. I went there and couldn't find the SailFishOS System updates. Could you send me the link? Thanks again.
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
I don't see a link between me having to create an account and patents and copyrights? The privacy policy states in section 2 the purposes for which the data is collected, but nowhere does it say in...
View ArticleComment by ovekaaven
I'm really not sure what providing a valid email address has to do with imposing a particular view of the world... it might have something to do with privacy, although it's a bit of a stretch... but...
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
Oh and btw, you already have a Jolla account since you are posting here ;)
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
You ordered you Jolla online, right? There's your account. Or you can choose not to use it, and use SW from e.g. https://openrepos.net/
View ArticleComment by MartinK
@artylp Yeah, but unlike with Jolla, you can get all the source code & re-/build it yourself if you want to. :)
View ArticleComment by ortylp
@avdwoude not by Red Hat, and you do not want to know how much a single licence costs
View ArticleComment by Tanghus
> but indoctrination? I don't think that was mentioned anywhere? Anyways I consider this "a storm in a glass of water" (is that only a Danish saying?). The birthday thing is stupid, but probably...
View ArticleComment by Stefanix
If it is just about OS SW updates, it really should be possible 100% anonymous. I have plenty of "toys" lying around and they update the FW with one click, not asking for any identification. I am not...
View ArticleComment by ortylp
@weareunlike just type in fake birth date and one-time email account. NSA has your all data already anyway. Do you really provide your real data everywhere you are asked for??? Until we force hardware...
View ArticleComment by avdwoude
Hmm, that is a good point. I don't need to have any account at Debian/Ubuntu/Red Hat/whatever to be able to download and install update or even system-upgrades. Why would this be any different on a...
View ArticleComment by nthn
Well, to be honest, I don't think asking for your birthday and an email address is that much of an invasion of anyone's privacy as those can hardly identify you. You should always use temporary email...
View ArticleComment by weareunlike
I feel that lying (providing fake data) in order to receive something is not a good start for a relationship. In that case the "terms of use" and "privacy police" are not worth the paper they are...
View ArticleWhy is it required to open an account in order to receive software updates?
When I read the news about your phone, I was so excited that I ordered it immediately. The excitement lasted until I realized what I had to do to receive software updates (. In order to receive...
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